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Post by captain heinemann on Mar 8, 2003 2:18:00 GMT -5
america just want to make iraq their own and perhaps for awhile it will be better but thers no way the us will want to leave and do what the un say especially if they've declared war in the first place without the uns backing they're too powerful to have to bother answering to anyone else so they can pretty much do wahtever they want in raw if they get the opportunity.
i saw this doco the other night about how when the us went into afghanistan and captured all these al quaeida soldiers how they acted like the nazis in ww2.. they just used to grab a prisoner take him out beat him adn usually never take him back, thats what'll ahppen in iraq. lookan t camp xray with all the afghaniatani soldiers they captured. they have absoloutely no reason to be holding them and no law allows it but they still do... its not good
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Post by slushpup on Mar 8, 2003 2:18:07 GMT -5
i guess it depends on whether you feel the ends justifies the means.
personally, i dont think it does. but hey, everyones entitled to their opinions.
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Post by josha on Mar 8, 2003 2:36:11 GMT -5
america just want to make iraq their own and perhaps for awhile it will be better but thers no way the us will want to leave and do what the un say especially if they've declared war in the first place without the uns backing they're too powerful to have to bother answering to anyone else so they can pretty much do wahtever they want in raw if they get the opportunity. i saw this doco the other night about how when the us went into afghanistan and captured all these al quaeida soldiers how they acted like the nazis in ww2.. they just used to grab a prisoner take him out beat him adn usually never take him back, thats what'll ahppen in iraq. lookan t camp xray with all the afghaniatani soldiers they captured. they have absoloutely no reason to be holding them and no law allows it but they still do... its not good yep your right, numnuts, it has nothing to do with america getting blown up, and iraq having illegal weapons or anything |
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Post by slushpup on Mar 8, 2003 2:40:43 GMT -5
i saw this doco the other night about how when the us went into afghanistan and captured all these al quaeida soldiers how they acted like the nazis in ww2.. maybe you mean how the nazis acted towards POW soldiers, because the nazis sure as hell did alot more than just BEATING the people they wanted to get rid of. |
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Post by criminally vulgar on Mar 8, 2003 10:04:28 GMT -5
my friend: america shouldn't go into another country trying ot change its culture. me: yes, because ruthless dictatorship plays a big part in their culture  i win. pro war. all the way. |
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Post by sam on Mar 8, 2003 19:09:38 GMT -5
I think you've got a wrong definition of culture. Because the ruthless dictatorship is a massive part of it. For good or bad.
A lot of western preconceptions about what is 'good' and 'just' doesn't fit in with eastern ideals, but it's not up to us to change them. We've gotta learn to be relative.
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Post by kelly on Mar 8, 2003 20:37:27 GMT -5
fuckin politics, gets everyone so angry.
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Post by Mediel on Mar 9, 2003 3:53:10 GMT -5
that's because no one can ever possibly agree on anything...
and that's not bad, but then you get the fucking politicians like johnny trying to keep it up until they're so over the hill they can't even walk and making everyone even angrier in the process what the fuck am i talking about
i give up i was never any good at expressing my opinion
oh yeah, signed by the way
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Post by josha on Mar 9, 2003 8:05:01 GMT -5
yeah and people like heinemann show how s tupid they really are
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Post by Enis on Mar 9, 2003 9:28:25 GMT -5
I'm not exactly pro war. But since assasinating world leaders is something that they cant do due to stupid agreements I cant see another way to get saddam out of power.
The end justifies the means and if called to serve in the army for this I would do it.
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Post by bossman on Mar 10, 2003 8:03:28 GMT -5
I dont know if you guys take an interest in military forces. I do and the one thing which should be made more clear is that war is not cheap. Such a simple statement but think about it. For a simple PAVEWAY 11 Laser Guided bomb costs Aus $90,000. PAVEWAY 111 is more expensive. Even dumb bombs are a few thousand dollars. Now think of how much munitions will be used in this conflict and think of the price (I've heard esstimates of up to US 100 billion) The US isn't doing this for the fun of it, they aren't doing this for oil (which alot of wankers don't seem to get). It would be far cheaper for them lift sanctions and buy iraqi oil. It kind of pisses me off when I see 'free the refugees' protests but at the same time they are protesting 'No war on Iraq' You would think they might support a course of action that could eliminate the reason why the refugees come here.
Another point: Iraq has had 12 years to disarm, it was a condition of the surrender teams which they signed at the end of the '91 conflict. This issue should have been solved 10 years ago but for the complacency of the UN (Another example: Think of the 'ethnic cleansing' that went on in Yugoslavia and Rwanda and the UN did fuck all to stop it) So you can kind of understand the US's stance. Another point to consider, why are alot of middle eastern states opposed to this? Iraq has a chance of democracy if Saddam goes. Maybe they see this as a threat to their power base.
And Heinemann, I have a few books i could possibly lend you on the SS and the Japanese so you could see how they treated their prisoners. After that if u want to compare them to the americans, feel free.
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Post by sam on Mar 10, 2003 8:11:29 GMT -5
Bossman is THE man. This shit needs to go down, or something equally Samuel L. Jackson. As peacefully as possible, of course.
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Post by josha on Mar 10, 2003 22:05:58 GMT -5
can i just ask you anti war people a question/
if america pulls out of war, do yo ureally think iraq and osama will go "thanks, for not declaring war, we wont blow the rest of the world up" ??
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Post by Phoebe on Mar 10, 2003 22:12:46 GMT -5
can i just ask you anti war people a question/ if america pulls out of war, do yo ureally think iraq and osama will go "thanks, for not declaring war, we wont blow the rest of the world up" ?? no their not gonna say thanks president bush for not declaring war on us , but i am sure the people of their countiries would be gratefull that the usa didnt blow up thier homes and kill inocent people. |
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Post by josha on Mar 10, 2003 22:13:44 GMT -5
until iraq says "stupid fucks"
and then america will have no homes
FUCK FACE
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We cant all be hArDC0Re PuNX like you 
