Poppies

[millhouse]

one word dude.

Conscription.

[shep82]

poppies = opium....

i'm allergic to poppie seeds (...they come from the flower rite?)

so hey, at least my parents know i haven't been suckin up on opium!!

...can u believe that my mum actually gave me a whole lecture on drugs, all because she thought i was on speed...(ofcourse i wasn't)
and u wanna know why she thought i was on speed?

she found a smint on the floor!?!.....damn paranoid bitch!

[agent pondscum]

hehehe sounds like something my mum would do!
as millhouse said, you heard of conscription?
my mum no's dis guy who was in the army and got sprayed by agent orange in vietnam!
he died of cancer and was one of the first people in australia to be recognised to have been killed by agent orange.
how it happened is this. he was protecting villages in the rainforests of vietnam and the agent orange was sprayed by our guys to kill the follage so they could protect the villages better and didnt know the soldiers were there.
now this might not be the most intelligent move by soldiers, but anyone who is willing to provide any kind of service whether it be in the fire brigade in the police force or any other  protective services has my respect.
as i said read some stories about just how close australia came to being caputured by the japanese, watch the movie gallipoli and attend a dawn service or two.
i no that when i start to travel my way round this world of ours one of my first stops is turkey, mainly gallipoli and on the 25 april.

[TLCM]

I don't want to offend anyone hear but personally I think that conscripting people to fight in Vietnam was the worst thing that the Australian government has ever done.  Everyone should have the right to chose to fight or not and considering that it wasn't even Australia's war or even America's, but I can't say to much about that because I don't really know their side of the story.  I think that the domino theory was a whole lot of bull shit dished out by the Government to scare the people and that they caused more damage than they did good.

[agent pondscum]

yah, da whole white feather thing is totally rong.
for those who dont no a man who refused to go to war or got out of it somehow was told to wear a white feather in his hat and was jeered by the public!
as tlcm said i think if you want to be in the reserves or watever go for it!but if you dont want to be at war well then cya!anyway if conscription came back
1)im a girl and
2)ive got a bad sports injury




joking   ;D

Wheres my white feather? ? ?

[scheibes]

i too think conscription is one the most stupid things that has happened
wasn't the whole vietnam war suppose to be about fighting communism?
america just used that whole "we must fight this as a world thing" just like they are at the moment with the terrorism war today
seems things never end it's just a circle of chaos
oh well conscription would never get up ever again, they would have ppl rioting if they tried to
Nathan

[TLCM]

I hate war but I have to keep quiet usually, there is an Army base down the road, you can see the flares and the planes fly past my house and sometimes you can feel the bombs.  Alot of my friends go for Army guys (AJs) and I think one of them is either joining or has joined the reserves and her sister is in the Army.  I also know a guy that is joining the Navy and a girl that wants to be a fighter pilot.  My Grandad fought in New Guinea but he never talks about it, I think that it is one thing to fight to protect YOUR country but alot of the wars are no one elses business.

[agent pondscum]

Thats like this whole afgan thing, or taliban at least, the thing is american government has there nose in other countries buisness and i think that one day there is gonna b sum major shite, bigger than now!
i dunno its scary but its a feeling!
i dont care what any1 says id rather hav a peaceful "boring" country than a waring, fighting country where you fear walking down the street.
if there was a way the wars could be fought without violence i think the majority of people would go for it and i know that for alot of people that this whole terrorism thing is a huge stress and headache.
there was a picture on the front of my local paper the other day and it said, daddy wont be home for christmas. now thats fucked up!

[apple gerl]

what i think's disturbing is all this bio-chemical warfare shit..that's far worse that guns and bombs and all the rest.

[TLCM]

I think that any one that would kill an innocent just because they have different ideas to you is wrong.  Although communism didn't work the Americans and the Australians had no right to fight against it.  The course of a country is its own business and the way that your country is raised is anouther, there is no reason to fight someone just because they want to run their country a certain way and especially if they think that they are doing it for the right reasons.  The worst thing about Vietnam appart from dividing the people was that the Americans were allies with the Vietnamese and the North Vietnamese leader Ho Chi Mihn, they helped them to overthrow the French and introduce independence to Vietnam.  Not long after America was at war with Ho Chi Mihn with the communist/democratic issue.
I don't like terroism but the whole war thing has gotten out of control, it won't be long until everyone has forgot why they are fighting and they will start atacking the wrong people and both sides will become paranoid, (well thats my prediction).

[agent pondscum]

i think its already gone past that stage and they are targeting just one terrorist!
there is more than one terrorist in this world.
but they are relating the killing of Bin Laden as the same as Hilter, they rekon that there will still be terrorists but not one to lead them or dirrect the funds,
but you cant tell me that a terrorist force doesnt hav some kind of Hierarcy that will be able to take over the "throne " if and wen they get Bin Laden. and there are more than just his terrorist network too.
theres a bit of a syaing that one of my favourite authors Dean Koontz uses in most of his books its:
each smallest act of kindness reverberates across greta distances and spans of time, affecting lives of unknown to the one whose generous spirit was the source of this good echo, because kindness is passed on and grows each time it's passed, until a simple courtesy becomes an act of selfless courage years later and far away. likewise , each small meanness, each expression of hatred, each act of evil.

i totally agree with that, and its not written by dean its by H.R White

the only thing is that the act of evil is often known more than the act of kindness because the act of evil is usually so horrific tht it makes international news where as the act of kindness goes on unnoticed!

[TLCM]

I agree with you bad stuff is always noticed where acts or kindness go unnoticed.  I think that people take more notice of the bad stuff because death interests people.  I don't know why and its kind of sick, mabe not all people are like that but alot of people are and thats why it's the evil in the world that gets reported more than the good stuff.

[scheibes]

bad stuff makes better headlines than good things happening, that's y the news is always usually about 75% bad stuff , 25% happy , nice stories
and then they try to end the news with a good story to make it seem there was more good news
anyway
we have become desensitised to violence / death and all that through the mass media
i personally think they will never catch osama , if he has as much money, and resources as we are lead to believe he is prob long gone from afghanistan or is well hidden if he is there
all they will end up doing is killing one osama and creating 10 worse osama's by making a maytr out of him

Nathan

[agent pondscum]

dude! did they make you study frontline for the HSC too! ?
sounds like something straight outa my enlish teachers mouth, but it is true we are all desensitised by the news and media, and thats probably why i love john bulter trio song media, cause its true " the media have vested interests"
studying frontline for english in the HSC was probably the most entertaining thing that i was put through it made me realise that its not bout the stories, its bout the ratings and how you can manipulate any story to make it good!

[bossman]

Conscription won't be a problem unless Australia is actualy threatened.  The simple fact is it costs too much to train the soldiers up to a level of competency and its just a waste if they're going to leave after 2 years.  With Vietnam, it was an infantry mans war so it is cheaper.  Another thing why we had conscription back then wasn't Vietnam, vietnam couldn't of done shit to us, it was indonesia who posed a very real threat.  In fact we were at war with them in the 1960's but that was secret and was fought in Borneo.  But i agree, i don't like war but i recommend everyone read up about them so we don't make the same mistakes.  One of the greatest American generals summed it up best
"War is Hell"
Gen. William T Sherman